For heat I installed a Mr. Heater Portable Propane Buddy Heater from Cabela's inside the cab. A lot of assumptions made in this article. It’s not clear whether or not David Dana was using any sort of “non-approved attachment” on his Mr. Heater. So that, IMO, doesn’t fit with the possibility of suicide. The all new 2020 next gen Buddy flex has been totally redesigned and incorporates all new exciting features for any cold weather project or activity. And as we have repeatedly stressed, HAVE A WORKING, “IN-DATE” CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTOR IN YOUR RV. While parabolic propane heaters are generally regarded as safe for outdoor use only, Mr. Heater brand portable infrared heaters are touted by their maker in an advertisement this way: “You will enjoy years of comfortable indoor safe heat.” That quote comes from an advertisement on Amazon.com. That fits with the observations of first responders who said it appeared Dana was trying to cook on the heater. So, the moral of the story here is; why are there so many funny lawyer jokes, because those scum bags deserve it. It is light in weight. I love my Little Buddy! If you ask the fire department they will tell you that it’s very dangerous to have a little buddy inside unless the propane tank is outside of a certain distance because it could explode. In any event it is sad that someone (and their faithful companion) died because of misuse of the heater. It’s doing both the Mr. Heater company and Rv’ers reading this article a great and dangerous disservice unless you get the complete story. At least one RVtravel.com reader brought this story to our attention, as Mr. Heater brand propane heaters are popular among some in the RVing community. $7.99. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. This week we heard from Enerco’s president, Jeff Bush. Diane, I tried looking for that info, also, and even looked for Crossfire on Amazon, but no luck. it burns a fraction of the propane that a gas furnace does. This will not show on your comment but is for us to contact you if necessary. MH18B Big Buddy (No Fan) The Most Popular Portable Propane Heater in North America. A button on any one of the alarms can be touched and all the alarms except the first one that sounded the alarm, goes off so that the problem alarm can be identified. I told her to get everyone outside and they immediately felt better. “One cause of carbon monoxide poisoning from unvented heaters – incomplete combustion caused by lack of air – has been virtually eliminated in newer heaters by use of Oxygen Depletion Sensors (ODS),” says a posting from the University of Iowa. Regardless of this potential revenue, unless stated otherwise, we only recommend products or services we believe provide value to our readers. Safety in your home and your RV, no matter what size or brand is paramount. I’m sorry it sounds calloused but it’s called thinning out the gene pool. Buying any propane heater is like buying a new Smartphone, TV, or kitchen can opener. This obviously was not a camper van. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Mr Heater's indoor safe propane Buddy heaters have become America's most popular portable heaters. Why does this publication seem to always look negatively at virtually all organizations and manufacturers? In fairness to Enerco, it doesn’t look like much could have been done on their part of have saved Mr. Dana. We have installed a commercial brand series of Smoke, CO 2 and Heat alarms in our home. generator about 30′ away was apparently producing CO as it set both our detectors off just from what drifted in through open windows). Good article, but would have been more impressive if the research into cause had been done by an independent organization. Indoor Safe Propane Heater 2 HEAT SETTINGS 4,000 9,000 BTU/HR. We have used an Olympia catalytic heater frequently in our fifth wheel over the last 10 years of fulltime travel. Yes, already installing additional smoke and CO detectors in this new townhouse. Buddy Heaters are not certified as a cooker and not designed to operate in this manner. As well, the shut-off button was taped in and used as a stand against the tank itself. We made dinner and later went to sleep. No spam, just interesting, helpful information. This can’t happen because most of the legislators who write law are lawyers by education. It took me at least 45 minutes to make a bracket to hold it in place on the floor and to make a heat shield to go over the top of the unit. Mr. Heater $129.99. But I will be buying another so I have 2 running at the same time. 20-lb bottle: about 100 hours on low 20-lb bottle: about 40 hours on high There are currently 3 versions available: Mr Heater Buddy, Mr Heater Little Buddy, and Mr Heater Big Buddy. The automatic shut off point defines safety, thus, protecting against malfunctioning and low oxygen levels. Mr Heater is Safe for RVs When Used Properly. If you want to edit a comment click the gear icon to the right of your comment and choose edit, or delete. Notice the black tape wrapped around it, rendering it useless. 58 At least Mr Dana only killed himself and, didn’t take any innocent others with him. Not enough? This article should remind RVers to review these safety warnings at the start of each heating season. Finally, on the next day, we got a terse phone call from a woman who said she represented Enerco Group. Mr.Heater F232000 MH9BX Buddy 4,000-9,000-BTU Indoor-Safe Portable Radiant Heater & Mr.Heater Fuel Filter for Portable Buddy and Big Buddy Heaters #F273699. As a prime example look at our countries political situation at the moment…. We also found other “helpful” folks on the internet telling readers how they can quickly and easily defeat oxygen sensors in Mr. Heater and other gas-burning appliances equipped with them. Who, what , where and why? Generally this is an insignificant amount especially in a well ventilated area. Electric or shut it down for the season when it gets to cold. Yes I do have a carbon monoxide detector and the batteries are always changed every few months. Heater” death. What was the source of the CO poisoning? Fools all, for some reason they simply do not want to do it right. However, it was not a “Buddy” heater, but, rather, a unit designed and specifically designated for outdoor use. Mr Heater Buddy Run Time. And just how much outside air is “sufficient” for safety? Give the previous owners some credit… Maybe they disconnected the propane (so it can not be used) and then sealed the chimney to reduce that heat loss. Ahh…. We were first directed to the company’s marketing department, where a somewhat hesitant representative told us he hadn’t heard anything about the incident, but was quick to point out that the company had strict prohibitions about cooking on any of their brand of heaters. An outside-only heater, modified and used in a tightly sealed small enclosure created a very dangerous situation and directly lead to this unfortunate situation. Your article last week made unfair assumptions and I stated that last week. ft. Sadly there was a family killed from carbon monoxide poisoning last year when a contractor ran a generator inside of a house he was building and the kids must have stayed overnight. The Mr. Heater Portable Buddy Radiant Heater is a portable heater. The modifications and misuse of the heater are confirmed by municipal investigators. In our original story, we mentioned that first responders to Dana’s van, where the incident happened, reported that Dana had been using a Mr. Heater-brand appliance. Mr. Heater is, indeed, “a fuel-burning appliance.” But here’s the safety point. The fact that carbon monoxide deaths have happened in the past led the company to the development of their “Buddy Heater” line of indoor-outdoor-approved-use heaters. I want to second your comments. Absolutely safe ‘for intelligent, open-minded RVers’. The man died – how do you think they are going to get more info????? No spam, just interesting, helpful information. Also, please note that when Russ interviewed Kennewick officials, there was confusion among them as to the specifics of the situation. And of course, running propane stovetops without ventilation can also be a cause of CO poisoning. I looked up the chimney and someone had placed an alumnum plate over the damper completely sealing off the chimney. © 2020 RVTravel.com – All rights Reserved. You have reached a conclusion unsupported by the facts. Because the litigation costs, would be more than settling. We called and left a voice-mail, asking for clarification. Mr. Heater F232000 MH9BX Buddy 4,000-9,000-BTU Indoor-Safe Portable Radiant Heater and Mr. Heater Portable Buddy Carry Bag 9BX Bundle 3.3 out of 5 stars 3 103.58 $ 103 . The tragic story of a Kennewick, Washington, man, David Dana, who lost his life in early December due to carbon monoxide poisoning, drew plenty of attention from our readers. And that sounds like a very smart idea. https://www.hunker.com/13409397/how-do-catalytic-heaters-work cylinder and is the perfect solution for heating enclosed spaces like large tents up to 200 sq. Mr. Heater user dies from carbon monoxide – Could you? Like I mentioned before, the first responders said it appeared he was fixing himself a meal. Went to Crossfire website. Further, the connection between the air intake tube and control valve was loosened so the entire burner assembly could be rotated to pointing up when attached to the propane cylinder, as opposed to the factory set face-out position. Seems that Enerco just MIGHT have a conflict of interest here and a strong incentive to ‘blame the victim’. I have used my Buddy heater in my truck campers and my trailer in that time. Always leave a couple of windows cracked open if using in a RV. “ALL ATTEMPTS TO IDIOT-PROOF OUR PRODUCT HAVE RESULTED IN BETTER IDIOTS”, My Mr. Heater close to the one pictured) clearly states in the manual that it’s not to be used in a closed environment. Apparently I was reading and looking at different heater in this article. I agree with M. Will’s comment, because, as I’m sure you know, using an outdoor propane heater indoors is a recipe for disaster. Later that day we heard that a husband, wife and dog had died from carbon monoxide poisoning. David Dana, 61, and his Labrador were found dead on December 5. Happy Holiday Rick!! This easy to carry portable heater is safe for indoor use in small apartments and office places and also in various recreational enclosures. An oxygen depletion sensor (ODS) system checks the oxygen level of the air around the heater and shuts it off if the level becomes too low for human safety. Not having fire/CO/propane alarms indoors is flipping the coin for survival. Mr. Heater | Portable Buddy Radiant Heater 4 Operating Instructions and Owner’s Manual A A A Off Position Figure 1 Figure 2 OPERATION WARNING: Always inspect propane cylinder and heater propane connections for damage, dirt, and debris before attaching propane cylinder. Why assume it is one of the Buddy line of heater? Anyone making that many modifications knows enough about the technology to understand it was a time-bomb waiting to time out. However, while on Amazon I searched for “combo smoke CO detectors interconnected” and found several, and reasonably priced. These alarms have 10 year batteries (with warnings when they get low) and the alarms talk to each other. It has been running since late October with a carbon monoxide detector near the unit ( witch has never gone off !!!! You hear news stories every winter about how this family or that all died using a BBQ or some such for emergency heat. Clearly one design obstacle still remains for engineers to tackle: How to completely idiot-proof potentially dangerous appliances. The biggest take away for all users is to read and follow the instructions and have a properly functioning CO detector. Never. We do not have any affiliation with that company. Your real email is required. But one of Enerco’s safety features, built into each of their portable heaters, is a “tip-switch” that immediately shuts down the heater if it is tipped away from its upright operating position. This website utilizes some advertising services. REV Group sales down, net loss up from last year, Campground Chatter with Janet Groene, December 21, 2019, I broke into my own RV in minutes! $17.98. We hope to get the updated story into the next News for RVers newsletter this coming Sunday. There really needs to be more education about anything that burns fuel in an enclosed space. The article I read about this from the coroner stated in the last sentence that there are heaters designed for indoor use but the one used was NOT of that design. Amazon's Choice for mr heater buddy portable heater Mr. Heater F232000 MH9BX Buddy 4,000-9,000-BTU Indoor-Safe Portable Propane Radiant Heater, Red-Black 4.6 out of 5 stars 4,533 I am sure there are other brands on the market. Just getting a “beep” when you hit the test button only tells you that the alarm circuit itself is working; it DOES NOT indicate that the device will actually detect this odorless, colorless and deadly gas. Now he may be putting his neighbors unknowingly at risk. If that was the case, adjusting the flow down would have made for extremely dirty combustion and, as a result, high amounts of carbon monoxide being released into the environment. Mr. Heater Where/how did you purchase yours? CO poisoning from unvented heaters remains a concern.”. I get flack from all who want to create simple cheap heat by catalitic heaters. Goldberg’s splendid book “Arrogance” isn’t a bad one to have in the library either. I watched a video recently where a firefighter used a CO detector to test just how much CO a Buddy heater would put out. SAFE TRAVELS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL. It is portable and easy to use. Most RVers know to read and heed safety warnings on their gas heaters. Thanks, Chuck. This website utilizes some advertising services. Thank you. Change the law to “loser pays”, like most of the free world countries, outside of the United States, and a vast amount of BS law suits will never be filed. For RVers, ensuring that you have enough air flowing into your unit is critical. it can be used as a “regular” heater, then also sets up to heat a pot. The 4,000 to 18,000 BTU Big Buddy is the perfect solution for heating enclosed spaces like large tents up to 450 sq.ft. There are a number of ways of calculating this, based on just how much internal space there is where the heater is used, whether or not the “building” is constructed with a tight vapor barrier or not, etc. We say “in-date” detector, because each detector has a limit as to how long it will really detect carbon monoxide. When we go on a trip in our RV we mount one Smoke, CO 2 and Heat alarm in their proper places in the Motor Home. Item #1691973. Do not use if head of cylinder is damaged, punctured or deteriorated. It is for an emergency, when primary heating system has failed and I don’t have electric. I always have my vent open no matter what time of year. Maybe they need to include someone to watch over the users of the items they sell. https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/mr-heater-big-buddy-portable-heater https://www.rvtravel.com/mr-heater-user-dies-from-carbon-monoxide-could-you Learn how your comment data is processed. Many people faced with anything technical couldn’t think their way out of a paper bag. So just what kind of heater was David Dana using at the time of his death? Enerco’s team went over them closely and found several issues. Of course that was a detached garage, but now that he’s in a house with an attached garage I have to keep warning him NOT to warm up his truck while sitting in the garage especially with the garage door closed. Such responsibility restores faith in their product. Which sunflower heater is best? I’ve used forced air furnaces for 40 years. It might help him understand the danger. But in so doing, the result could easily be a quenching of the burner flame and an interference with the burner’s access to secondary air. I don’t use it overnight as an extra precaution. I have a Mr Buddy that I have used in a tent, a tent is hardly air tight, with out any problem. Thank you for the suggestion, Bob. I have to say something. Yes I know that is not an option for folks living as Mr. Dana did. its also to be used outdoors only. Imagine the fear of possibly knowing what would greet him when that door was finally pried open. —Diane at RVtravel.com, I use the big Buddy in the rv with 2 windows opened up to 18 sq in totalled, that’s what the instruction says, never had any problems. Believe me, in the 22 years of service business, I have seen it all. We occasionally update our terms and privacy policies pages so if you have not read them lately, we encourage you to do so. 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